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GeneMO

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I e mailed old and ask him why he left.

It was primarily due to derogatory comments he got from Hobo,NC. RichardH and Dave2n were also a factor.

Yes he may have repeated stuff, but there are always new folks on here, and they repeat questions we have heard a hundred times. So a reply to their question is a repeat for us, but new to them.

Old is not proud that he is on disability. I have personally seen the scar up the center of his back, over a foot long.

Couldn't we all just be nice?


Gene
 
Geez-o Beez-o, I didn't even know Rich left. I sure wish (and hope) he will come back..... What a nice guy he is.
mike
 
It takes no effort to find the positive in any situation. Old is and has been a very informative and powerful addition to this forum. Thick skin, thin skin, no skin, all ill thought """cheap""" comments need to be rethought, and reworded before spun into this space. (or any space for that matter) When face to face, comments are tempered by the realistic interpretation of voice and body language. What is put into type has none and becomes an insult of deep proportion.
When I first found this sight I left my Email open all the time.
A person read my opinion of the value of someone elses H farmall, and sent me a direct assult so clear in its meaning and intent, that I was very glad i didn't follow up on the topic, or respond to the grief. I thought about it for a week before assuming he was not typical of the forum. I believe the use of suggestive content references and trash talk are in the same category as banking miracle offers to share a lost 20 million. Unfortunately the authors may be closer to home. It is childish and clearly unwelcome to many adults (who can themselves deal with it but can't share the passionate love of farm stuff with their children) because it is a conceptual assult. I dearly miss Old and the humanity he brought to the forums he contributed to. I welcome him back if he decides to honor us again. James A. Nicholson
 
I miss Rich. He took a lot of knowledge with him when he left. Seemed to have a knack for making something useful out of scrap. Hope he decides to return.
 
We all need to realize that some people are more "outspoken" than others. I miss Old also. David..........
 
I Did not know he was not posting looked back and he had post on 1/21 and it is not unusual for some one to drop out for that long, we even had Tractor Vet dead and buried a while back. I can not understand why someone who finds a persons posts annoying can not simply skip over them. I enjoyed reading most of Old's post personaly.
 
I Did not know he was not posting looked back and he had post on 1/21 and it is not unusual for some one to drop out for that long, we even had Tractor Vet dead and buried a while back. I can not understand why someone who finds a persons posts annoying can not simply skip over them. I enjoyed reading most of Old's post personaly.
 
If you have a connection with Rich, let him know that I miss his insight on the forums. Some people say things with little regard for others opinions or feelings. Old, you have provided about the most common sense answers, to everyday problems, of anyone on this site. Rich is able to fix things just like my grandfather. With much patience and little money. People like that are harder to find everyday. I hope he will join us again.
 
Three years ago my brother in law and our wives were down in Mo. and we stoped in and seen Old. He was class A he showed us around showed us his collection of tractors and things and I read his post on this form and he is very helpful to everyone.So yes I hope he comes back because he is a very good person and would help anyone. As far as repeating things we all need a reminder once in a while. I have heard him and others post things and the light bulb comes on and You say I knew that but thanks for the reminder. Come back Old.

Bob
 
I agree totally. A big part of the problem lies in not being able to see the person talking to you. Not to mention the fact that we all come from different corners of this continent (and perhaps others) and don't always necessarily understand each other, I guess. Too often some see this forum as an opportunity to sling mud and promote themselves by demoting someone else, whether it be their persona, opinions or suggestions. Problem lies in not seeing the direct consequences. We need to always remember that there is an actual human being (probably not too different from ourselves, lets face it, if they were they wouldn't be here) on the other side.
 
(quoted from post at 21:21:24 01/27/09) If you have a connection with Rich, let him know that I miss his insight on the forums.
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Ditto!

I'm fairly new here, but miss Old's knowlegde too. Besides, who else is going to make sure the world knows the joys of ATF? 8)
 
I didn’t realize Old had left, but I now realize I haven’t seen his posts lately. There are certain folks on this site who have come to almost feel like extended family, and he was on of them. Over time you pick up and remember certain things about their lives, and it’s like you know them. Even though you’ve never met. I remember when Old was really struggling with severe ice storms a year or two ago. One of the first things he did when temporary power came back on was contact this site to let us all know he was OK. For a guy to give as much of his time answering questions and trying to help others, without getting anything in return, and then to feel insulted enough to leave is a real shame. It’s interesting folks like Old that make this group special. It’s pretty sad that there are people in this world that apparently find so little satisfaction and so much desperation in their own lives that they attack good people through the anonymity of the internet. That’s just cowardly. Folks like that will never have anything in common with a guy like Old.
 
I don't know about some of you guys, but I for one would not have the guts to work on my tractor if it weren't for the help I get here. I am personally thankful for guys like George (who I have not seen a post from in a while), old, Hugh, and I don't want to name everyone but the person I have had the most help from and got the most out of is Janicholson. I thank you guys, and old, if you see this please don’t give up on all of us.
If something was said forget about it, and them. Your friends are still around the stove, and a hot cup is sitting in your place. Ron
 
I did not know he packed up camp and hit the trail. I remember he commented on the "wrench" postings about a week ago. GeneMO, tell him that we are just horses a$$es an that is it, nothing more, nothing less, nothing personal :lol: Seriously, how personal could one take snide comments from strangers in cyberspace? I have been slandered (probably deserved it though) on here before. Maybe my skin is pretty thick. Miss you OLD.

Charles
 
Thanks Ron,
Each effort to help or redirect the efforts of people on this site is a step in the right direction for our civility and honor. We are a world wide group, with enough comprehensive knowledge to build and do amazing things. One thing we do is build. We build confidence, integrity, know how, and ethical behavior. We share as needed what we have to give. We (grugingly) tollerate some marginal input that is trash disguised as comic relief. We are human. And that is a very great thing to be.
Jim
 
I also miss Old and respect him immensely. I most sincerely hope that he sees this post and if he doesn't see this, that someone informs him that a great deal of us on here miss and respect him and hope that he comes back on. Please Old, don't let a few bad apples spoil the whole basket. Just because a few people act like jerks, doesn't mean that this is a bad site. I have recieved advice from Old and that advice has not only helped me, but I think it saved me at least a finger or two, if not more. For that Old, I thank you very much. Your advice and guidance has helped many of us and for that I think we all owe you thanks.
 
Well snide comments are one thing, but they kept putting him down cause he is on disability. I have seen his scars. You dont have 18" scars up the center of your back for the heck of it.

He can't lift more than 35#, he has had to invent ways to do things that most of us take for granted.

I have worked full time and farmed on the side for 18 years after kidney failure, dialysis, and a transplant, so I have been extremely critical of cheats and fakes who claim disability when they could work. I missed two months of work, total.

But I will stick up for old.

Gene
 
His resipe of ATF and turpentine is the best I ever used for stuck engines, even worked wonders on green two bangers. Thanks again OLd-------Harold
 
His resipe of ATF and turpentine is the best I ever used for stuck engines, even worked wonders on green two bangers. Thanks again OLd-------Harold
 
I don't post often but I read daily. I have always enjoyed old's posts. Nor have I ever read any nasties from him. I remember too when he was having ice storm damage and was wishing he was closer so I could go help out. I hope he comes back with his wealth of knowledge and wisdom.
 
Howdy
old, youv'e been around long enough to know that there are more horses asses than there are horses, you can see how many people respect you and want you back. Forget the wise guys and come on back.
Bob S.
 
This seems to happen on every tractor forum. Theres someone that knows alot and like to help others to keep the tractor hobby going and other people who cant keep their mouth shut.


In the end it screws all of us.


Thanks old for all your wisdom and help over the years
 
Old,If you are reading this, you got a bunch of ignorant comments. The best way to treat ignorance is to ignore it.See you back here tomorrow? MTF
 
Ron: I personally don't agree with Gene's accessment. Oh yes the item he mentions may well be the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak. Old was around here when I came in 1999, a very knowledgable person who always knew the econimical fix to most problems. He's never made a lot of noise, just good sound ideas.

I'm not certain one can hang around here for a lot of years, doing the kinds of answers Old, George, Jim, myself, and many others provide. I could go on and on about others who have come and gone. I find myself not bothering with a lot of threads I would have just two years ago. I look at it this way, if the guy is getting good advice, let it go. There have been a lot of new and very capable folks come along in the past few years, some of them received most of their training right here, and are doing a great job. Others are completely new to the computer but have a lot of tractor knowledge upstairs.

I haven't checked lately but I must be approaching 50,000 posts in that 10 years, 5,000 per year, hell that is 13 per day. How many times do you suppose I've answered the same question. I'm sure Old is in the same position. You take Allan In NE, two years ago, probably the most prolific poster at YT. He hasn't been around near as long as Old or I have, probably surpassed us with his numbers. You don't see him as much anymore. Plain and simple guys, if you answer a lot of questions on here there becomes a point of burnout. Fair warning I've almost reached that point.
 
Old nailed me good once. I don't think I had it coming. I have not been as active on here ever since that time. 3 years ago. So he isn't perfect either.
 
Well, if Old took any of my comments as derogatory, then I apologize--sincerely. I can't recall what the comments might have been but think they were probably no worse than other comments from other folks on here. I had no idea until now that he is disabled. However, I did sometimes wonder if Old needed to grow a little "thicker skin."

Again--my sincere apologies.
 
This forum is one of the BEST I have ever seen! When I bought my 1949 Cub I knew nothing about the tractor and have been helped immensely by kind knowledgable people on this forum. I too hope that Old returns as well as others who have stopped posting. Such knowledge and even wisdom is always rare and valuable.
Soon I will have the Cub to a point where I am satisfied with it momentarily, then I can get back to my first tractors - old Fords
Michael Adams
Texas
 
When I worked a parts counter at a IH dealer, I tried to learn as much as possible from experienced customers and mechanics. I approach this fourm the same way. Once in awhile I even have an idea what the discussion is about. The world needs mentors. Old, if your reading, you're appreciated more than you can know.
 
Wasn't in on the controversy here, but I would like to add my own 2-cents' worth (naturally, affected by inflation): I have seen lots and lots and lots and lots of helpful suggestions, and VERY few sarcastic remarks by people who sneer at those who know less than they do (I count myself among those who don't know much about a lot of things restorers do--have never torn a tractor to bits and put it back together, although I can probably count thousands of hours driving a fair number of "old" stuff, going back to a tractor made in 1926 (but they don't seem old to me!) between about 1940 and 2000.
As to repeating questions, of course that will happen. New people come to the forum every day, and it's obvious that a lot of them are "new" to restoration, or even to owning a tractor that they never had any experience with. For us now-old bucks, a 10-20 or a "Regular" feels like part of us, but if you're in the newer generations, there may be quite a few mysteries in starting in on a tractor with a mag instead of battery ignition, or a generator and regulator (or maybe a third-brush generator)instead of an alternator. I'm happy when I can provide a bit of information to somebody who asks an honest question, and I sense that a lot of other contributors feel the same way. At the same time, I've asked questions in all ignorance and gotten some great answers.
Kudos to all the helpful people out there in Tractorland (no, I did NOT call it La-La Land!).
I believe a lot of conflicts can be resolved by diplomacy--on this level or on the international level, so thanks to all the diplomats who tried to be helpful here!
 
I'm new enough that I don't even know who "old" is, but I for one hope that no one takes offense at anything I might write about here. I too have not torn one down and have a lot to learn about such things. I also have driven or spent anywhere from a few to a lot of hours running different tractors, not all red but a lot of them were, that my dad, uncles, neighbors and people I hired out to over the years owned. I also worked for 25 years in the engineering experimental lab of a hydraulics manufacturer which I feel gave me some insight into hydraulic systems. Anything I learned, or thought I learned, while doing that I try to pass on if I think it might do the next guy some good. I'm certainly not anywhere near an "expert" on any of them. We need people that DO know something constructive about them and I hope that no one leaves because of any mis-understanding, or unwarranted comments. Sometimes you do need thick hide and just let them roll off.
 
Sorry to see the brain trust diminished here, all boards, though YT is better than many if not most. A moderator with the power to apply some digital "Round Up" to frequent abusers is a good idea.

Hugh MacKay illustrates well the burnout factor that is another element to losses in the brain trust. I say to you , Hugh, and others like you, you owe us nothing! If you quit in five minutes, we still come out ahead by miles and you leave with a lot of IOUs in your pocket. If burnout is close, I selfishly ask you to take a vacation and come back when refreshed. Just so we don't lose you too. Ditto to TractorVet. You two have delivered a lot helpful advice to me directly, but there have been many precious nuggets from others as well.
 
I think he'll come back. I have bought parts from him in the past and he is a decent sort. I have seen him and others get into it but nothing terrible. Now that McKay guy kind of rubs me the wrong way but I just consider the source.
(just kiddin Hugh!)
 
I don't think it fair or appropriate to say things offensive or abrasive toward Hugh or Old.
They have both been quite helpful and very informative to me and many others on this forum.
Their advise is given to us for free.I treasure their wisdom. It is quite unsafe to cast stones
when most of us live in glass houses. My hopes is
that Hugh and Old will keep on keeping on.
Thanks---Glynn
 
I'm sure that people not responding and letting you know if that fixed your problem, or helped you in any way, after you spend the time to reply also didn't help keep Old around...
 
Gotta agree with that, I'd rather have someone come back and tell me my advise didn't work so I could revamp or talk the problem thru. Sometimes it's nice to hear that advice helped to.
 
Jim: In my opinion the typing skills of guys the age of Old, Vet and myself, turn this into a time consuming event. The archives are more or less useless due to the vast number of titles that can be used on a particular subject. I hate to think of the number of times I've typed out the use of casting codes.

I like being here, don't get me wrong. I also believe if some new participant is going a good job of solving a problem on a thread, keep out unless you can help or enhance his answer in some way. One problem we have is folks giving answers when they don't know the correct answer. Now, we all make mistakes, but lately I've seen a few folks giving advice on a Farmall Super A and you'd swear they were discussing an Impalla.

I firmly believe we should encourage new guys who are knowledgable. Fellows my age aren't going to be around forever. Hell, I don't feel as good as I did this time last year. One of the biggest problems most good wrench folks encounter is being able to put their thoughts in type. When I came here, I already had a lot of experience in farm organizations. I had served as recording secretary for 8 years, and man if you can put everything in print a bunch of farmers are saying in a public meeting, your a bloddy genius. Even if that is my own opinion. I remember one evening in a farm meeting, had been a rather unruly event. Finally an old farmer who hadn't said anything all evening, got to his feet and addressed the meeting. He said, "The only way to get two farmers to agree is shoot one of them." I recorded that in the minutes, and read it back to them the next meeting, during the reading of the minutes. YTer's are not a lot different from the room full of farmers, lets face it, it's in their blood to argue. Thus when I encounter an arguement here at YT, it runs off me like water off a duck. I may nail you a month from now, or I may be content to watch someone else nail you.

You can not eliminate arguments or disagreements, and we shouldn't. Name calling is another matter, however the name caller is very easy to nail next month, plus you just never know who may be prepared to do it for you. Just don't get angry, but rather get even.
 
The Louvin Brothers used to have a song where they talked about two neighbors swapping "money, mules and plows," which suggests they were farmers, which tells me they probably argued a lot while still treating each other as good neighbors. There's something to be said for that.

I generally don't have any problem with disagreements around here. Some are based on principle. D Slater and I mixed it up here a couple of weeks ago about chassis serial numbers on Ms. His argument was as good as mine, I don't think we agree yet, but I also don't think either one of us is mad about it. And, while we were both adamant about our arguments, we certainly didn't drag it down to any name calling or questioning of the other's intelligence. If we lived in the same town, we could have had the same argument offer a coffee or a beer, and been back the next day to talk about something else.

As for facts, instructions, troubleshooting . . . same thing. I think I got caught here about that same time advising on a water pump on a 140, as if it were the same as an A or SuperA. I think you were one of those who called me on it. I should be mad about that??? I don't think so. At that point, my concern is that the person asking the question makes sure to ignore what I said and get the right answer. Beyond that, I learned something along the way.

As far as the "get a manual" and "check the archives" responses. That's a mixed bag with me. Yes, there are those folks who want a complete rundown on a complex job, and they should have had manuals in hand before ever getting into the job. I tend to give those folks the down and dirty, throw in a tip or two if I have one to offer, and suggest that the job will be a lot easier for them if they look at a parts blowup in a manual or parts catalog. The archives here can be tough to use. Even using good search parameters, you can come up with something in excess of 1,000 results, a lot of which are answers to a single thread. If you know that, you can search for the initial post in a thread and read the whole thing at once. If you don't, know that, you can get lost or frustrated. I've gone so far as to bookmark links to some of the common ones (John T's charging and ignition troubleshooting and, offsite, BobM's wiring diagrams for example), and have saved offline a few that I have written so that I can cut and paste them in (like synching the governor to the carb on the As Bs and Cs). That last I did when we went thorugh a sudden rash of somebody popping up evey third day with a question about it.
 
(quoted from post at 20:23:12 01/28/09) Jim: In my opinion the typing skills of guys the age of Old, Vet and myself, turn this into a time consuming event.
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A suggestion that everyone (especially the ones that take the time to go into great detail) could use. And especially 2 finger typers like me.

Open up MS word (or equivelant),

go to modern view on the forum,

click search in the little box up top

use what you want, but I'd use "author"

type in "old", "Hugh Mccay", or whoever you are or would like to read

highlight the long detailed answers and copy/paste them into a word document

call it what you want (fuel pump?) and save it and so on til you get tired

Then, if you have a related question, check your files first

If you are on the answering end and have already answered a similiar question, just open your file, highlight and copy/paste into the forum reply.


Man!!! Am I on it or what????


Dave
 
I discovered computers about 10 years ago and went nuts on chat rooms and discussion forums. Mostly ag, aviation, gardening (we are hosta freaks) and many times the sun would be coming up and I would still be chattin’ away.
And I guarantee on 100% of the forums there was always one person with an attitude and no matter what the conversation they always felt the need to argue or throw a jab at someone even when they did not know what they were talking about, which was most of the time.
And I agree with Hugh and Jim that it is very easy to be misinterpreted in text rather than speaking in person. I think of something to peacefully ad to a conversation but when it comes out in type it sounds argumentative. And we all know there are a small few who read every post just looking for a typo or some other mis-speak to open the door for an argument.
I don’t mind constructive disagreements, discussions or even arguments over ignitions, spark plugs, inline filters vs. none or any other topic, but when you choose to make it personal, THAT is when you cross the line.
This Farmall/IH forum is the most peaceful, polite and respectful forum for sharing thoughts and ideas around. Bar none!
Dell
 
Dave2,
A friend was typing on her pc and I asked if she was a good typist or a hunt n' pecker, she replied, "Both."

I still don't know what she meant by that.

Dell
 
(quoted from post at 11:35:49 01/29/09) Dave2,
A friend was typing on her pc and I asked if she was a good typist or a hunt n' pecker, she replied, "Both."

I still don't know what she meant by that.

Dell
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Is her name Anita???

Damn women'll rope you in every time................
 
(quoted from post at 06:14:34 01/29/09)

As far as the "get a manual" and "check the archives" responses. That's a mixed bag with me. Yes, there are those folks who want a complete rundown on a complex job, and they should have had manuals in hand before ever getting into the job.
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I see where your coming from...I tried searches and am getting better, but sometimes my questions are off the wall or require a certain type of answer...I have a pretty good background mechanically, but do get stumped or have no clue..some from inexperience..Ive learned a lot here over the years....
I have printed posts and keep them in a folder so I have a hard copy to look at ...costs a little paper but I have it to look at whenever..
The older guys like Hugh,Jim,vet, others have always given me to -the -point friendly answers...( you can get a feel of a persons tone through their typing/phrasing...)... 8) Dave
 
I go to a lot of Muzzleloader web pages, and I am kind of burned out answering questions. I did what Dave was talking about. I saved several answers to topics and I copy and paste a lot. Then I just have to add a couple of words here and there to make it fit. Works good for me. Ron
 
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