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No fuel pump (fuel pump bypassed)

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Saw Dust

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Hi,
Me agian.... hopefully I am not asking too many questions but you guys are a goldmine of info... Thanks so much.

My next problem is I realized that the fuel pump on my IH2444 has been bypassed. The line comes right from the tank goes through and in-line filter and into the carb. In other words it is gravity fed. The tractor runs well as is but I am concerned that on a steep hill the level of the tank may be below the level of the carb and the tractor will starve for gas. Is this a valid concern. I noticed the fuel pump is located much lower than the carb. I think there is a good reason for this. Also there is no bowl type filter in the fuel supply. How necessary is this type of filter? If the fuel pump does not work can I use a generic electric one to replace it with (It is and electric pump now I think).

Thanks again for your advice. Hopefully one day I will be able to give a little back to the forum instead of just take.

Ian
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you should be able to pick up a cheap pump and wire it up my grandpa did on the custom john deere l he built.

i would shuggest wirering up a different one unless you have $700 for a replacement

this is a link to a new replacement one if you want to go broke

http://www.link_disallowed/acatalog/Injection_Pump_IH.html
 

The only issue that comes to mind with a "universal" pump is ussing one with the right pressure, but these may be more forgiving than I imagine too.
 
After reapeatedly spending $80 for leaky IH membrane fuel pumps for my IH544 I am very happy with the universal electric pump I got off the shelf at NAPA. The inline filter will do a better job on small debris than the bowl and screen but it won't catch water.
 
napa has some smaller electric pumps for lawn equipment applications, 1-4 psi and 3-6 psi ratings, if you knew the output pressure of the factory pump, you could match em up, other wise, go with the bigger pump and add a fuel pressure regulator to adjust the pressure. i would guess you want no more than 4-6 psi fuel pressure, too high and it would push fuel right past the float valve.
 
Can you re-route the line to the filter so that it is on a more level route on it's way to the carb?? Looks like it isn't too bad right now. If you always keep your fuel level above the carb, you should have no trouble.
I don't believe anyone on here has ever gotten tired of questions being asked. You'll get many different ways of solving tractor problems from advice given on here. Wouldn't be much of a site if no-one had problems/ questions.
 
Ian: Got a question, where is this fuel pump located? This 2444 is a British engineered IH tractor, and I'll be the first to admit I know very little about British IH tractors.

None of the US built tractors had a fuel pump until the 86 series, and that was only because the fuel tank was behind the seat. None of the Farmalls, gas or diesel, with fuel tank directly over the torque tube ever required a fuel pump. I can't see any good reason why these little 35-40 hp British tractors would reqire a fuel pump. Fuel tank is very close to same position in relation to engine as a Farmall, and they all worked fine for many years with graviety fuel flow.

I see an inline fuel filter, and that is an absolute no-no on a graviety flow fuel system. I do know these British tractors came new with with a sediment bowl, fitted with shut off and screen. that is excatly same as US built Farmall. These sediment bowls worked well for hundreds of thousands of operating hours. I know as my farm probably clocked up a 100,000 of those hours. The sediment bowl as a water trap is far more valuable than any inline filter over the sediment bowl screen.
 
Hi it is located on the right side of the engine block down near the bottom. It is part #20 in the parts diagram.
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It's not really a British tractor. At least, not completely. The 2444 diesel does have the BD-154 British diesel engine. But, the 2444 gas has the U.S. engine - C153 instead of the British BC144 like some "B" series use.

The following are about the only ones with the British gas engine: B275, B414, 354, 354, 364, 434. 3414,3444 industrial
 
You can use just about any pump. Just mount it as close to the tank outlet as possible. Also, use a cheaper pulse pump that runs low pressure. Any autoparts store has them. Electric pumps are made to push gas, not draw it out of the tank. Without it you might find yourself running out of gas on steep hills.
 
i have a few of those pumps some where in my garage. i never had a use for them except throwing them at pest, and paper wights. but i completely agree with Hugh that filter is worthless, my buddy tried to put one on his farmall and it just starved it of fuel. if you get rid of it you won't have worry about starving it of fuel on a hill. i use my H on steep inclines all the time and never has a problem. (but it uses less gas than any other tractor i got, even my cub cadet)
 
jdemaris: Still a British engineered tractor and the C-153 block had to be modified to fit the British chassis.
 
John: Maybe I should have said Farmalls. I never owned a 544, but went all around it with 656, 766 and 1066. My neighbor had a 666 and 886. Of that group, only the 886 had a fuel transfer pump.
 
If he installs an electric fuel pump he should also install an inline filter to protect it from small debris. I agree that such filters present too much resistance for gravity feed systems and they don't remove water.

On the other hand, if the engine did not originally have any pump at all, why add one? Just replace the missing bowl and be happy.
 
exactly, bowls are much easier and cheaper to maintain, all you need with a bowl is a paper towel to clean it out, with a pump you have to replace filters and then if they go out you have to spend x amount of money to replace.

-Randy-
 
Thus my words "not completely" in regard to British. The C153 has better parts availability and has USA parts on it, unlike it's British/Indian counterpart, the BC144. The guy was asking about the fuel system, and the fuel system is American, not British. The British counterpart to the C153, e.g. the BC144, uses an odd-ball Britsh-Zentih VN or VNN 30 mm carburetor unlike anything here in the USA. The British Zenith has nothing to do with the Zenith in America, and was taken over at some point by Solex. Also the reason why some of the US tractors built upon that British/Indian/Mahindra running gear have electric fuel pumps.
 
the fuel pump is electric and located on the right side below the oil filter.

the us version of the 2444 has the pump.

I would expect that any electric pump with about about 6 lbs max pressure would work.
Do not use a pump with much pressure though or your needle valve will leak.

JC whitney has universal electric pumps for about $50 that will work.
 
Glen: I stand corrected, I did know that about the F-12 and F-14, but not the W9. So you see, the F-12 and F-14 were before my time, then I was Farmall, all the way. I think I did suggest Farmall in my original post.
 
My 2444 has a pulse type pump with a filter in the bottom of the pump. Fuel is routed from the tank through a sediment bowl with screen and then into the pump. When the original one one quit I used one from a 315 combine. I did not check part numbers but it looks like the same pump.
 
Well glory be Saw Dust, I'd be more worried about the inline fuel filter plugging off and then starving for gas. As you go chugging up a steep hill, your tractor may develop a British accent. Then it will sound like a Scotsman playing the pipes. Carry a couple spares in your tractor tool box if you want to use it. Bout the time your gas tank starts passing a little rust, you will be spending a fortune in fuel filters. They plug real fast. Good luck.
 
Believe Owen is right with the 315 combine---pump looks just like the ones on the 715 combine. Probably any pump for the 15 series combines would work.
 
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