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Could my M run a big round baler?

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I am thinking about getting a large round baler, one that would make bales about 1300 lbs or so.

Would my standard M be able to run a big round baler? I am assuming I need double acting hydraulics? If I do, could I add double hydraulics to my M? Or should I be looking for a newer tractor?

Thanks for any advice on this!
 
We have a Hesston BRB, and it requires a 1000 RPM PTO shaft. The baler is quite heavy and when loaded with its 1300# bale would be a real challenge for the M. Even if you could make the PTO work and the hydraulics to have enough functions, you still have way too light a tractor to be safe, and no live hydraulics and no live PTO.

We run our Hesston behind a 100 Hp tractor, but it could probably be done with a 80 Hp tractor if you are not on very hilly ground. Check the manufacturer's recommendations for the specific baler you are considering. Ours is a flat belt machine which requires a lot of power just to get it started. I don't think you could do it without live PTO.

Just my opinion, others may differ...

Paul in MN
 
Hello,
If you are on flat ground the m would handle a big round bailer no problem. if the tires where loaded it would do some hills too. i ran a round bailer with my D14 a few years ago, it only has one way hyds. I just had to switch hoses after every bail to lock the bailer. it took alittle more time but it worked and i got my hay bailed. you can put a two way valve on your M with out too much trouble.
Good luck Ed
abcrepairparts
 
You absolutely can run a round baler with a plain M!
I've done it successfully with a '50 M that had typical wear for its age. It did it, but I must say that it was all it wanted when the bale got to be full size. If your M has a fresher engine it will do just fine.

I wasn't using the biggest round baler, but the bales I made were in the 800-1000lb range. You can experiment with the size and tie the bales off at less than full size if you need to.

You can use the liftall hydraulics but you'll need to do a little plumbing to work with the two way cylinders on the baler. Do a search for posts on setting up for two-way cylinders and you'll find good info better than I can describe here.

You'll have to use a little strategy when baling; give yourself about a tractor space before you enter the winrow to get everything rolling and the engine stable at speed. When the bale is about done you can let the baler drift out of the windrow as you are tieing the bale off so that you can be out of the hay when you make the final wraps of twine, 'cause as soon as you hit the clutch everything stops!
 
I've been thinking about this as well, only I'm wouldn't be shooting for a "Big Round Baler", more one of the smaller ones like a Hesston 530.

From what I've read they're pretty happy with 35 PTO HP, which an M should fine with.

K
 
We make 300-400 5x4 bales (800-1000) bales annually. We use a Farmall 504 Diesel and can run 2nd and 3rd gear on heavy windrows pulling a Vermeer 504C baler. Live hydraulics are not so much an issue as Live PTO. Live hydraulics would be an issue if it had a hydraulic tie. The 504 is 46 PTO HP, but will out perform a JD 3020 with 65 PTO HP. I feel it is the massive flywheel on the Farmall with a better governer keep it pulling until the load clears. The JD will bog faster.

Charles
 
I have a NH 638 600-700 lb. bale ,it calls for 45 hp so M's HP would be marginal Electric tie would It require 12 Volt.If not electric tie it would require dual hyd .or some extensive plumbing.Not impossible but difficult
 
The Vermeer 504C has a manual tie. You pull a rope to drop the twine arm, layer the twine, then pull sharply to cut. Electric tie is NICE though.

Charles
 
I use a round baler behind a Super M. The baler will make 5X5 bales and calls for about 50 HP at the PTO. I do not make the bales full size. The baler will make bales up to around 1,000 lbs. Even at 3/4 size, it is quite a load for the tractor. I usually make the bales between 600 and 700 lbs. Would like to find a 4X5 baler for it that runs off about 40 H.P. This would be a better set up.
 
It should be able to handle it if this VW engine can do it. Hal
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thats quite a set up, amish or menonite im assuming, does that have any brakes or do the mules have to hold it back on the hills, from what i can see the hills dont look to large but still they are hills, just wondering,
 
Nice baler..... Power unit looks old. Amazes me they will buy a new piece of equipment, but refuse to use a tractor...

Charles
 
I"m going to have to hook my NH 850 round baler to my M and see how it does next year. I have 2 way hydraulics on it and those 850"s could be set-up with a mechanical tie. I know it didn"t have much of a problem with my NH320 small square baler so I don"t see it doing poorly with the 850. It might not be the best match but you have to try and figure out how to run best with what ya got sometimes. I would think the older balers would work out best.
 
Hello there I ran a IH 241 big roll round baler for years. Baled lots of hay with my M, has live hydraulics,baler has manual tie works great. One thing you have to get used to is putting transmission in neutral when tying bale.Also used 2 gear in most conditions.
 
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