super c dynamo - bearing's gone!

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lachleaves

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seem to have the old timer running okay, and decided to check the charge coming from the back of the dynamo...

first thing i noticed was that it wasn't turning at all (belt slipping). so i squirted a little oil in the back to lubricate the shaft and tried again. it would spin and stop, spin and stop... the charge is good, but the bearing rattles a little - shame!

if i strip it, can i replace the bearing, or does the whole dynamo have to go??

thanks
lachleaves
 
Theres a bushing at the back and a bearing in the front that are both replaceable. Too much oil in the bushing and it can get into the brushes and screw things up. Be sure to polarize the gen when you put it back on the tractor.
 
I'll ad to Gene's info that the bearing/bushing are common components, and are available from bearing supplies, take in the old ones. JimN
 
Glad you got her runnin'!

The generator on my BN wasn't stuck as fast as yours, but did have a wobble on the bearing. I took mine to a shop that does nothing but alternators, gennies and starters. They replaced the bearing, cleaned things up while they were in there and checked it all out for something like $18 if I recall.

Gene and Jim have the right idea. If you've got the gumption to get into it yourself, the parts are pretty much standard stuff and should be readily available.

You said the other day your starter wasn't functioning. Any idea yet what may be up with that?
 
glad you mentioned that scotty...

i took a look at the starter today. the 'pull' cable is missing completely. i can see where it may connect to the starter, there is a small grey bracket on top of the starter that is meant to support a lever for the starter pull(???), and a metal button just below it that can be prized out, but it doesn't seem right. there's no spring or anything in it, it just slides out and in, flush with the tubular little shaft on top of the starter.

i can't fathom it out. how the hell is it meant to work??

lachleaves

lachleaves
 
Just as a caveat, I'm assuming the starter you have is of the typical Delco type on the tractors here. From your description, it might be a different beast but, if you can sort out any differences, the way to test them should be similar.

Assuming Delco, if the bracket/switch housing is grey, it sounds like an original, which was cast of potmetal. The available replacements are more golden in color and made of stamped metal. Either one should have couple of ears on the aft end to hold the ends of a pin securing the lever that is operated by the rod/cable that actuates the starter. And, yes, there should be a lever there, and there should be a spring under the button to hold it up when there is no pressure on the lever.

Basic idea is . . . when you pull on the rod/cable, it pivots the lower end of the lever to push the button on top of the switch. That button should have a spring visible on the outside that holds it up and out of operation unless there is tension on the rod. The button is insulated electrically from the chassis. At the bottom, inside the switch housing, depressing the button makes a contact between the copper stud that your battery cable is connected to and another stud that is mounted in the case/shell of the starter, completing the hot side of the circuit, to put juice to the starter motor.

First test should be on the tractor, using the tractor battery, if you know it to be good and in a good state of charge. Try actuating the switch by the lever or by hand (it won't shock you). If it doesn't work or you see any sparks, that would suggest that the problem might be with the switch.


In the absence of any spitzensparkin activity (which would strongly suggest problems within the switch itself) you can also try it with a different battery, apart from the one in the tractor, but you need to be mindful of polarity. Not everybody has an extra 6 volt battery laying about for this purpose, so you should disconnect battery on the tractor beforehand, which will free you up to do the test with a 12v battery, which won't hurt your starter any for the short time it will take to test it. Point there is that you don't wasnt a load on a 6v and a 12v battery in parallel at the same time. Also keep in mind that disconnecting the regular battery on the tractor will require that you repolarize the generator when you reconnect the tractor battery. (If the second battery [the one you will be using for the test] and the tractor battery are both 6 volt, you needn't disconnect the tractor battery, but doing so will eliminate the possibility of a short circuit elsewhere in the swstem being part of the problem. In any event, should both batteries be 6v, and you leave the tractor battery connected, you need to be mindful that you keep - to - and + to +. If the tractor battery is disconnected, + or - won't make any difference -- the starter motor should turn the same direction)

Hook one side of the jumper cables between a good ground on the tractor and the ground side of the battery. Hook the other side of the cables between the hot side of the battery and the threaded copper stud on top of the switch body and try depressing the button on top of the switch again, either by hand or using the rod. If the starter still does not spin or engage, there is most likely a problem in the switch or the condition of the copper stud in the shell of the starter, which can only be seen by removing the switch. If it spins but dows not engage the flywheel, it may be as simple as cleaning up the shaft on the Bendix.

If the starter does work with the second battery, the problem is more likely in the condition of the tractor battery, corrosion in the connections, at either the battery terminals or the connections to either ground or the hot stud on the switch, or cables that are either corroded or too small in the first place to handle the current (6v amperage is double that required for the same job at 12V.)

Check this stuff out and let us know what you find.
 
thanks for the advice, but before i pick your brains further about the starter motor switch and linkage, i need to clear up a couple of things about the battery...

my 6v battery is absolutely duff! so, until i get a replacement, if i just want to test the starter i can connect a 12v battery, yes? i'm right in assuming the tractor is positive earth, aren't i? so if i connect the 12v battery - and connect the positive terminal to the earth lead of the tractor - why would that require me to repolarise the generator when i find a 6v replacement battery in the future??

and, as long as i don't pull the ignition switch on, the 12v battery won't damage the the points or ignition system, no?

sorry, perhaps silly questions, but i just want to be sure...

thanks
 
Not silly questions at all.

To the polarization question, the generator stores a residual magnetic polarity in the field coil (I believe that's right, but it may be the armature) as long as it remains connected to the battery. When the connection to the battery is lost, whether by removal of the generator, the regulator or relay, or the battery, that residual polarity is lost. NOT a big deal to repolarize, if that's got you concerned. It's a matter of reconnecting everything and, before starting the tractor, simply touching a jumper wire between the BAT and GEN terminals on the regulator/relay. This will make a quick, small, harmless spark, but does the job of establishing the polarity. Not a big deal at all, easily done but easily overlooked, and needs to be done anytime the generator loses contact with the battery.

If you want to use a 12v battery to test your starter and switch, that's fine as far as it goes. The 12 volts won't hurt your starter as long as you don't crank on it for too long at a time and allow it to cool down if you do find it getting warm before trying again.

And you're absolutely right, as long as you don't turn on the ignition switch, you can hook up the 12v battery to test the starter. As a caution, I'd hook it up just as you describe, + to earth/ground, - to the stud on top of the starter switch. To isolate the rest of the system from the 12 volts you could go one step further and remove the other wire that is connected to the starter, leaving only the battery cable connected. Keep track of the wire, as you'll need it later, but the tractor will crank just fine without it (assuming a good starter and switch AND a good ground for the cable from the + side of the battery) and you'll have isolated the rest of your system from any damage that might result from 12v or reversed polarity and any unconventional wiring that may have been done over the years.

HTH!
 

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