Plumbing loader to 560....

Clefus · Oct 12, 2008

I finally picked up the IH 2250 loader I asked a while back about....ended up shelling out $400 for it....has a 66" bucket....

What is the best way to plumb up the two lines from the loader spool valves to the tractor?? ...I would like to keep the other remotes open to run the baler......

Just got a deal on a Vermeer 504f for $1000....nice baler a guy I know had...bent two pickup bars from a wooden stake in the middle of making hay ....bought new pieces to fix it but has bad knees and gave me the option to buy and fix.....also has a lot of new bearings and he replaced the chains/sprockets last year....

Thanks
dave

charles todd · Oct 12, 2008

On my Farmall 504 I am comming off the pump line to the valve (power beyond) and then returning to the power steering flow divider. Then I am sending the return to the fill plug. I am waiting on fittings, otherwise I would have some pictures. I plan to post them when completed (this week?).

In the meantime, here is my schematic. I do not have the return line drawn in this one, but the return comes from the 3 spool valve to the fill plug at the IPTO housing.

Good find on the Vermeer 504F. We have a 504C (don't know the difference) but I know it is a good baler.

Charles

Clefus · Oct 13, 2008

Charles
Thanks for the reply..
I was thinking of putting a tee with a coupler where the big rubber line goes into the valve block under the dash for the factory spools then welding a return fitting on the top cover....(the cover already has an angled filler with cap welded on it....)

That was the only solution I could think of to use the loader plus the other remotes....

where is your power steering pump at on the 504 that you were dumping to it after the pb spool??

thanks
Dave

mkirsch · Oct 13, 2008

Clefus, a tee won't work.

The 560 has an open center system, which means there is a clear path for the oil to flow through at low pressure, unless one of the factory valves is operated. The loader valves are also open-center, or "open when centered."

If you just tee off the pressure line, you will not get any pressure to anything. When you actuate the loader valve, the oil will just flow through the tractor valves. When you actuate the tractor valves, the oil will flow through the tractor valves.

Clefus · Oct 13, 2008

I see what you are saying...
What about this idea....putting some sort of two way diverter in the pressure line....that way I can select either the loader or the tractor valves ...I really dont need to use both at the same time.....
Main objective is so I can quickly hook/unhook the loader then ....just pull in, put in two pins, plug in two lines and go.....

How has everyone else hooked up loaders with their own valves??

Thanks

J.J. from Afton · Oct 13, 2008

Probobly the easiest and simplest way would be similar to Charles layout. Run the line from the pump to a set of valves for the loader than from there to remote vlave block on the tractor. Than youd just have to have a dump line running from the loader valve assembly back to the resivoir using the fitting on the cover that you mentioned.
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mkirsch · Oct 13, 2008

Clefus,

In a nutshell, you need to install the loader valves BETWEEN the hydraulic pump and the tractor valves. That's what Charles did.

Rather than a T, just take a hose straight from the pressure line to the IN on your loader valves.

Now here's where it can get a little sticky. Does the loader have a "power beyond" type valve tree? You'll see three lines besides the ones that go to the lift and tilt cylinders. If you only have two lines, then you have a standard valve.

The plumbing is a little different from one to the other. On a standard valve, you redirect the hose that you wanted to Tee off into the loader valve IN, then run a hose from the loader valve OUT back to the tractor. Done.

With a power beyond, you run the OUT back into the hydraulic reservoir somewhere. The power beyond port gets run back to the tractor.

karl f · Oct 13, 2008

you should have the flow divider directly off the pump. the power beyond system should be supplied out of aux, and then go out to your remotes.

I think someone else mentioned this to you previously. you will lose your powersteering everytime you operate the loader the way you illustrate it.

karl f

Clefus · Oct 13, 2008

thanks for the replies guys..

I think im soaking this in... :?

Main thing is I want to unhook the loader when Im not using it...it has the spool attached to it...also it has two lines coming from it ....I understand the system is always flowing till you pull a valve...

My thinking was where the flex line goes into the tractor install a two way unit ... one line goes to a coupler for the loader to plug into....other line goes to the tractor.....( do they make such a two way unit ??) ...then put in a fitting( weld to top) with coupler for the loader return to dump back in the system....
I though the power steering had a seperate pump on the 560??

This would allow me to hook up loader, plug in two lines, and switch unit to put flow to loader.....??or you guys give me a better way...lol
Is this wacked?? Im trying to grasp everybodies thinking here and not get confused..

Thanks again...

J.J. from Afton · Oct 13, 2008

Yes your 560 you dont have to worry about a divider valve, for the power steering, cause the power steering is run off a piggyback pump that is attached to the main hydraulic pump. The plate the pumps are mounted too, (its the one the hydraulic supply hose attaches to) acts as the diverter. So much is sent up to steering and the rest over to/through the remotes.

As far as your loader plumbing,Id say just mount a valve between the pump and remote block, than hook the loader to it using quick couplers on the ends of the hydraulic hoses. Than when you want to take the loader off you just have to disconnect the hoses. You would not have to worry about removing valves and what not. Why make it more work than need be.

Duane NC OH · Oct 14, 2008

on our 560 there are 3 sets of outlets. one set on each side of the tractor and one out the back. our loader has 2 control levers. from the control valve there are 2 hydraulic lines that we hook up to one set of the front outlets. to work the loader we have to tie the hyd lever on the tractor forward. this works well and leaves the other 2 outlets for other stuff.
hope these pictures help.

good luck!

Duane

Clefus · Oct 14, 2008

Thanks guys..

Duane .. how does that particular 3 pt set up work for you....only reason I keep the fast hitch is to plow with...if I find a chisel plow, I will convert it ...it needs rebuilt..lot of wear/slop in it....I have plug in adapters that work but not sure which route to go....

Duane NC OH · Oct 15, 2008

the 3 pt hitch works pretty good. it did some cultivating, nothing to major.
the dual cylinders are nice. its a work saver 3 pt hitch.

hth

Duane

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