Super H Seat Shock Absorber Question

Red Mist · Jun 27, 2008

Howdy, boys:
I've got a SH with the battery box under the seat, and I need to replace the seat shock. I know I can get the new shock - I see them for sale everywhere - but, the upper shock mount has what I would call a spacer on either side of the bushed eye in the shock. Looks like a steel sleeve runs through the spacer, shock eye and then through the other spacer(?) My spacers are shot and I want to replace them when I install the new shock. Does anyone know who offers these spacers - as a kit or individually - or is this an CIH item only? Thanks, as always.
mike

Andrew Z · Jun 27, 2008

The new shock will come with new bushings. (at least all the ones iv bought over the years have)

Andrew

Red Mist · Jun 27, 2008

(quoted from post at 11:58:36 06/27/08) The new shock will come with new bushings. (at least all the ones iv bought over the years have)

Andrew

Yes, I realize that, but what about the spacers that go on either side of the upper bushing when you mount the shock to the seat?
mike

rustyfarmall · Jun 27, 2008

I don't think there ARE any spacers. Maybe someone has jerry-rigged yours with wrong shock?

Haas · Jun 27, 2008

The seat mounting parts diagram only shows the bolt and the rubber bushings. The bolt, I believe is a shoulder bolt. Perhaps someone jury rigged the thing using some bushings when the shoulder bolt was shot. I think the new shock usually comes with the rubber bushings. I suggest you get a new seat spring while you are into it. I've had folks complain that their seat was bottoming out saying they needed a new shock to fix it. If the seat is bottoming out, the real problem is likely the spring although the shock may be bad too.

Red Mist · Jun 27, 2008

(quoted from post at 13:09:10 06/27/08) I don't think there ARE any spacers. Maybe someone has jerry-rigged yours with wrong shock?

Well, my Super H came from Virginia, and my Super M came from Iowa; the same person must have jury rigged both of them years ago. He sure got around....
I guess I am not explaining what I need very well. The upper shock eye has a rubber bushing in it. When installed, it has a spacer on each side of that bushing. The upper mounting bolt goes through one spacer, through the shock bushing and through the other spacer - on the other side of the shock bushing. I need those two spacers. mike

Red Mist · Jun 27, 2008

(quoted from post at 14:03:46 06/27/08) The seat mounting parts diagram only shows the bolt and the rubber bushings. The bolt, I believe is a shoulder bolt. Perhaps someone jury rigged the thing using some bushings when the shoulder bolt was shot. I think the new shock usually comes with the rubber bushings. I suggest you get a new seat spring while you are into it. I've had folks complain that their seat was bottoming out saying they needed a new shock to fix it. If the seat is bottoming out, the real problem is likely the spring although the shock may be bad too.

Thanks to all of you for trying to help me. I found the part numbers by looking under "Super C"/chassis/seat in the Case IH parts website. The two spacers are item #18 in the illustration, part number 354731R1, and the steel sleeve that goes through everything is item #20 in the illustration, part number 354730R1. Why they don't show that in the SH and SM section is beyond me - as both my tractors have that set-up. I guess they are only available from Case/IH. Thanks again. mike

D Slater · Jun 27, 2008

Mike I think the part # is 354731R1 for what you want. Don't know if you can get them new or not.
I have a extra set of used ones I saved, but can't remember where I put them. After looking for some time I give up. Was hoping to sell them to you for a $100 or so a piece, ha ha.

D Slater · Jun 27, 2008

Guess I was typing at the same time you were.

GordoSD · Jun 27, 2008

I went out and looked at my SuperH Stage II. That jury rigger was here in SD too! Mine has the two spacers in there. They appear to be about 5/8 inches wide.
The shock is there simply to take the recoil out of the spring. So you don't get the pogo stick effect. A new shock won't make the spring compress less. You might want to try a set of those coil spring spacers in your seat spring. Back in 1954 there weren't too many 300 lb farmers.
IH did make a heavy duty spring, recommended for foperators over 200 pounds.

Gordo

Red Mist · Jun 27, 2008

(quoted from post at 16:35:44 06/27/08) I went out and looked at my SuperH Stage II. That jury rigger was here in SD too! Mine has the two spacers in there. They appear to be about 5/8 inches wide.
The shock is there simply to take the recoil out of the spring. So you don't get the pogo stick effect. A new shock won't make the spring compress less. You might want to try a set of those coil spring spacers in your seat spring. Back in 1954 there weren't too many 300 lb farmers.
IH did make a heavy duty spring, recommended for foperators over 200 pounds.

Gordo

Hi Gordo! I'm glad to know mine aren't the only unique shock mounts. Yes, the spring on my tractor is fine; it does not bottom out with me. It is just that the shock is worn completely out. It does not dampen in either direction - it should dampen more on expansion than compression, but as I mentioned - it feels worn out and bone dry.... Good to hear from you. mike

RedJohn-2 · Jun 27, 2008

Mike, I agree with Haas; your shock may be bad, but I bet your problem is the spring. IH supplied seat springs for three different weights of operator. The top ring of the spring will have: 3 identifying notches for light weight operator. 4 identifying notches for medium weight operator or 5 identifying notches for heavy weight operator. It is a simple matter to remove your spring and count the notches. If you don't have the one for the heavy weight operator it will be too weak. (Even if you are light weight...I know. I am 180 lbs and I've replaced the springs on my C,H,M&300. No shocks were replaced.) I'm almost sure that all the replacement springs now are for the heavy weight operator...maybe no notches at all any more. Lot of rambling, hope this helps. John

Red Mist · Jun 28, 2008

(quoted from post at 18:13:54 06/27/08) Mike, I agree with Haas; your shock may be bad, but I bet your problem is the spring. IH supplied seat springs for three different weights of operator. The top ring of the spring will have: 3 identifying notches for light weight operator. 4 identifying notches for medium weight operator or 5 identifying notches for heavy weight operator. It is a simple matter to remove your spring and count the notches. If you don't have the one for the heavy weight operator it will be too weak. (Even if you are light weight...I know. I am 180 lbs and I've replaced the springs on my C,H,M&300. No shocks were replaced.) I'm almost sure that all the replacement springs now are for the heavy weight operator...maybe no notches at all any more. Lot of rambling, hope this helps. John

Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't have a problem with the spring. It is not bottoming out with me in the seat. My shock is totally worn and there is no dampening effect left in it. I just want to replace the shock so that the "bounce" comes to an end more quickly when I go over a rough spot. mike

Keith in Iowa · Jun 28, 2008

You can get that bolt and spacers at OEM.I think they cost about 16.00.

Red Mist · Jun 28, 2008

(quoted from post at 18:32:22 06/28/08) You can get that bolt and spacers at OEM.I think they cost about 16.00.

Thanks, Keith. I'll give them a try first. mike

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