Does anyone have experience identifying the sickle mowers commonly used on the offset farmalls? One was included, but not installed, with my 140 when I purchased it, and it appears to be an IH unit, but I'm not sure. If someone else has done this before, maybe I can see if I'm missing any parts and get a manual for it. I believe it's belly mounted but not sure. I can take a picture of it this weekend and email it if needed.
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Hugh MacKay
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rdradoo: There were two belly mount sickle bar mowers available for SA, 100, 130 and 140. A-22 was the farm mower available in only 5" or 6" cut models. There was also an A-23 roadside mower, and it was 7" cut. Quite heavy for these little tractors. One had to install the cast wheel on the left to use it.
ScottyHOMeY
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Hugh, did the A-21 fit only the A and not the SuperA? IF not am I correct in guessing the bracket for the front of the drawbar on the Super A made the difference?
dave guest
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Hugh, I have a cub, had a sickle bar on it. So cubs are not supposed to use sickle? Maybe thats why it didn't work too good.
dave guest
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Hugh, I have a cub, had a sickle bar on it. So cubs are not supposed to use sickle? Maybe thats why it didn't work too good.
ScottyHOMeY
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Lots of Cubs did (and do) have sickles, just not the same model as the A. Road commissioner in my town still mows roads with one.
Hugh MacKay
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Randy: The A-22 has a wood pitman arm. I'm not sure about the A-23, must confess I've never seen one other than a photo. I know there are photos of the A-23 in the gallery. Don't ask where, it's been five years. If you type in SA, 100 130 or 140, I'm sure you find one, even then it may take some looking. Try 100 or 130 first, there are fewer of them in the gallery.
Hugh MacKay
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Scotty: I've never seen a A-21 but I suspect your probably correct on the A versus SA. An A mower would have also had quite a hefty hand lift as well.
Hugh MacKay
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Dave: The Cub certainly did have it's own mower, and it also was called 22. We had one in the early 50s, I remember the manual, but I don't recall whether it was call just 22 or Cub-22.
There was not much difference between the Cub-22 and the A-22. Mounting was different as Cub mower bolted to small part of torque tube and the SA mower bolted to the wide part of clutch housing. The pully ratio at the back was different as Cub had roughly 1,000 rpm PTO amd SA was 540. The shaft going from rear to mid section of tractor was different. The pitman drive wheel was threaded on, and since Cub PTO turned opposite direction from SA, one was threaded left and the other right.
Basically the arm from under tractor to cutter bar was the same as was the cutter bar. We never had a A-22, when my dad bought the 130 we wanted a 7' mower we could use with either 130 or 300, so he bought one of the semi-mounts that bolted to drawbar. Those 1950s IH mowers were top notch mowers in their day.
There was not much difference between the Cub-22 and the A-22. Mounting was different as Cub mower bolted to small part of torque tube and the SA mower bolted to the wide part of clutch housing. The pully ratio at the back was different as Cub had roughly 1,000 rpm PTO amd SA was 540. The shaft going from rear to mid section of tractor was different. The pitman drive wheel was threaded on, and since Cub PTO turned opposite direction from SA, one was threaded left and the other right.
Basically the arm from under tractor to cutter bar was the same as was the cutter bar. We never had a A-22, when my dad bought the 130 we wanted a 7' mower we could use with either 130 or 300, so he bought one of the semi-mounts that bolted to drawbar. Those 1950s IH mowers were top notch mowers in their day.
ScottyHOMeY
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Was just wonderin'. Are the 22 and 23 mid-mounts?
I've got a 21 on my Super C, and I know the beginning of the manual is all about assenmbly and setup, and includes one mount for the A-21 and another for the C-21, but both on the rear.
I couldn't imagine tryin' to lift that bear by hand. I'm plannin' on a little garage imeyet this evenin'. Think I'll take the book out and see what's up with that.
I've got a 21 on my Super C, and I know the beginning of the manual is all about assenmbly and setup, and includes one mount for the A-21 and another for the C-21, but both on the rear.
I couldn't imagine tryin' to lift that bear by hand. I'm plannin' on a little garage imeyet this evenin'. Think I'll take the book out and see what's up with that.
Hugh MacKay
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Scotty: Yes the 22 and 23 are mid mount mowers.
(quoted from post at 09:49:55 06/04/08) Hugh, I have a cub, had a sickle bar on it. So cubs are not supposed to use sickle? Maybe thats why it didn't work too good.
Where'd you pick up that idea from what Hugh said? If the Cub wasn't supposed to have a sickle mower on it, IH never would've sold a Cub-22 mower.
I've got a Cub-22 on my Cub, and it works beautifully, but you need to set it up properly. The most important thing is to have good sharp sections, but that's important for any sickle-type mower or mower-conditioner.
Second most important is having the guards all intact, straight, and making proper contact with the sections. The Cub sickle bar works like 19 pairs of scissors, and as you know, scissors that have a gap between the blades when cutting don't cut for beans.
Third most important is timing the sections so they begin and end their stroke centered on a guard.
At first, my Cub-22 kept plugging and knocking grass down. Once I got it ship-shape, it never missed a beat.
Got an A-22 mower with the Super A I bought. I'm wondering/hoping that I just might be able to mount it without taking the 1000 loader off.
ScottyHOMeY
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Well, there now. I had to take a trip through the drizzle out to the garage and look at the book. SECOND paragraph states that the A-21 was made for the Super A. Third says the C-21 was for the SuperC. Both paragraphs made reference to the need for a lift arm on a Touch Control to lift them.
Just browsin' around in the manual, I'd forgotten that IH referred to the whole carriage for the frame of the mower as the "drawbar" as it didn't have any dolly wheel hangin' out back to support it, and remember I was a little confused back when about what the mower had to do with the drawbar on the SuperC which is very much out of the way of the mower.
Speakin' of which, I need to get busy and get mine ready to go for the season.
Just browsin' around in the manual, I'd forgotten that IH referred to the whole carriage for the frame of the mower as the "drawbar" as it didn't have any dolly wheel hangin' out back to support it, and remember I was a little confused back when about what the mower had to do with the drawbar on the SuperC which is very much out of the way of the mower.
Speakin' of which, I need to get busy and get mine ready to go for the season.
Hugh MacKay
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Scotty: I'm getting the picture, these A-21 and C21 were rear mount mowers that were fully mounted and pull rod went along the left side to front rockshaft for lifting cutter bar.
Those were preceeded by the A-16, probably a B-16 and the series 16 mowers were hand lift. A neighbor back in Nova Scotia had an A-16. Likey very close to the same mowing mechanism as the 21 series, I expect. We had another neighbor, bit further away and I didn't know him as well, had much the same mower on a SA with hydraulic lift. Very likely that one was a A-21. From the road those looked the same, other than the lift.
Those were preceeded by the A-16, probably a B-16 and the series 16 mowers were hand lift. A neighbor back in Nova Scotia had an A-16. Likey very close to the same mowing mechanism as the 21 series, I expect. We had another neighbor, bit further away and I didn't know him as well, had much the same mower on a SA with hydraulic lift. Very likely that one was a A-21. From the road those looked the same, other than the lift.
ScottyHOMeY
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Yep. I had her ack basswards. The 21 was for the Super A not the A.
Rather than all the riggin'/pulleys and shafts to run the power forward to a mid-mount, the 21 had a VERY short PTO shaft (I have to drop my bar and trip the release bracket and swing the bar back to even get the shaft on after I've bolted up the mower). After that it's pretty conventional -- the power runs through a belt between two bearing boxes and pulleys to drive the pitman.
Nice machine, but a bear to mount up.
One of the things I'm doing as part of gettin' it going this year is to clean up the threads and put new jacks in it to hold it up close to where it's supposed to be to get it on without bustin' tractor/mower parts or herniatin' myself. Been threatenin' to take care of that little detail for several years now, and I think this is the year. I'm nearin' the conclusion that I ain't gettin' any younger.
Rather than all the riggin'/pulleys and shafts to run the power forward to a mid-mount, the 21 had a VERY short PTO shaft (I have to drop my bar and trip the release bracket and swing the bar back to even get the shaft on after I've bolted up the mower). After that it's pretty conventional -- the power runs through a belt between two bearing boxes and pulleys to drive the pitman.
Nice machine, but a bear to mount up.
One of the things I'm doing as part of gettin' it going this year is to clean up the threads and put new jacks in it to hold it up close to where it's supposed to be to get it on without bustin' tractor/mower parts or herniatin' myself. Been threatenin' to take care of that little detail for several years now, and I think this is the year. I'm nearin' the conclusion that I ain't gettin' any younger.
Anonymous-0
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Hugh, I have a rear mount mower for an offset that a friend gave to me. It is a manual lift and is probably an A-16. I always wondered what model it is. It is in fairly good condition but does need some work. It is about a five foot cut.
Thanks for the info.
Thanks for the info.
Hugh MacKay
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Ron: Hand lift, 5' cut, and if it is fully mounted, as in no tail wheel it has to be a 16. Bear in mind there were A-16, I suspect B-16 but I'm not certain, and HM-16. Most of the HM-16 were 7'cut, however I have seen a 7' A-16. I think if one had original literature all the 16s were available in 5', 6' and 7' cut.
Anonymous-0
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It is fully mounted - no tail wheel. Got it near GeorgeKY's place.
Anonymous-0
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I have an A-22 mower that I plan to restore. The pitman arm is broken, but I do have the two ends. Would you mind measuring your pitman and letting me know what the measurements are. It would sure save me lots of trial and error in making a new one.
Thanks.
Thanks.
They are 30 1/2 inches long, but I sell new ones for fairly cheap.
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www.nnalert.com
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Anonymous-0
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I have a 100 with a belly mount mowing machine I believe I have the wrong pulleys runs wide open at an idle anyone know the proper size has one on the machine and one on the pto
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