450 Diesel and 400 Diesel

In a few weeks there is a 450 Diesel and 400 Diesel at auction kind of wondering how much they are worth. Both are in original condition, 400 D missing sheet metal includeing hood pieces and grill otherwise all complete, engine stuck.
450 D has average sheet metal, engine stuck and basically missing only the front two tires - rims still bolted to hubs. Ive seen a 400 Diesel sell for $1600 dollars not too long ago at auction and was a runner but needed a friend. Would this be low or did the new owner just get lucky? What would be the max that I should bid up to for these two tractors. Thanks
 
These engines are notorius for head cracking problems. They have a very complex head and not a lot of cooling area. Can be very expensive to repair. Even running ones can have unseen problems, so if they are stuck they are most likely not worth much over scrap.
Just my humble opinion.
I spent a lot of time on them way back in the '60's; when they are in good shape they are great luggers, hard to beat there.
 
I believe in them, but what you describe is worth le ss than 600 each. Their potential is great, their repairability is ok. They can be expensive to repair if the head is cracked. Sheetmetal should be able to be found. If the rear tires are also junk, they are worth scrap. Running well, they are a great tractor with good power, and good economy of operation. JimN
 

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