354 ih clutch and pto

Anonymous-0

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i have a 354 international diesel that the clutch
has went out. will pull in low gear, but not in higher gear. What kind of job is it to replace the clutch on this thing? also is it a 9 or 11 inch disk?

on the pto.
when i push the clutch the pto will not stop.
i also have to start the pto with my hand and then it will engage. using a tedder so not to hard to spin to engage the pto.
but would like to fix this when i tear down the clutch. when engine off, the pto will engage good.
what causes this? THANKS to any one that can help.
 
Hi TN, I have never worked on 354 but have work on the older model B414 & 434. To begin with is the clutch pedal free travel set proper at 3/4" to 7/8" free travel? If not read the Operator's manual how to adjust clutch free travel. The PTO problem can be caused by two problems, 1) free travel of clutch pedal out of adjustment. 2) fingers on pressure plate out of adjustment or in the case of our 434 the adjustment nuts had worn a grove in the pressure plate and turning the nuts 1/4 turn put them on an unworn surface. Usually the clutches on these tractors last a long time unless they have a front end loader on them.
If you have a PTO on this tractor then you should have a two stage clutch, where pressing clutch 1/2 way down transmission stops and all the way down PTO stops. For the two stage clutch the PTO clutch is 9" and transmission clutch is 11". Better buy a shop book for this tractor as replacing a two stage clutch is more complicated than a simple single stage. You must adjust the clutch fingers to certain specs so that transmission stops 1/2 way down and PTO stops all the way down.
To access splitting to change clutches:
1)Where can wiring harness be split.
2)Where can fuel lines be split.
3)Where can hydraulic lines be split and on this model only two choices, at hydraulic pump or at the front of the seat. Next problem the hydraulic lines have to be plugged or corked or the hydraulic reservoir has to be drained.

Botom line if you don't have the proper splitting stands and tools to split a tractor, hire a professional as this CAN BE VERY DANGEROUS to your health.

JimB
 
the guy i bought it from around 8 years ago, said
he just put one in when i bought it. about the last year or more has been getting worse.
have adjusted clutch about 2 times but wont help this time. also i have never smelled the clutch but once since ive had it. no loader, but have used it for a little logging.
 
Steven, clutch should not be worn out in 8 years unless it was not properly adjusted and was slipping some. We had a B414D for 10 years and put over 15000 Hrs on it and never replaced the clutch. We also had a 434 with loader and had it for about 10 years and never replaced clutch but had to adjust clutch and pressure plate fingers, This tractor was used almost every day of the year to feed cows silage and hay. The B414D and 434 use same clutch arrangement as your 354.

If you search the archives for 434 or 444 clutch about a month or more ago someone posted the specs on adjusting the dual stage clutch. Adjusting the fingers on pressure plate is done thru the inspection hole in the bell housing.

See caseih.com, go parts, search 354, attachments page 6-18 and item 3 709651R1 SCREW SCREW, adjusting are the screws to adjust. As I said before on our 434 the adjusting nuts on these screws ware a grove in the pressure plate fingers and this caused the type of PTO problems you are experiencing. Adjusting the nuts and leaving then turned a 1/4 turn so they would not rest in the old worn groove fixed our 434 PTO problems.

JimB
 

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