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Old Magnet 09-12-2012 20:06:49 99.28.160.17 Report to Moderator	There is no ring on top. Head gasket should get squeezed between the liner flange and the head. Still need to know the actual liner height above the block and the liners need to be clamped down to properly check the height. If the head gasket fits around the outside of the liner, it's the wrong one. [Reply]   [No Email]
just thinkin 09-13-2012 05:48:33 74.34.80.133 Report to Moderator	Re: Head gasket in reply to Old Magnet, 09-12-2012 20:06:49   The ring you are talking about is it a fire ring? That carbon ring may be a fire ring designed to keep the compression in the cylinder and away from the head gasket. Pinching head gasket material down on top of a liner that is not some type of metal is not going to prevent compression from leaking into water jacket. Case uses fire rings on their tractors. Gaskets come from Case without the rings and you must buy them seperate. Some after market Case gaskets have the fire rings in them. Make sure you have the right gasket as it sounds as compression is getting in water and the exhaust would make temp run high. Does it seem to be worse when you load it hard and the boost is up? [Reply]  [No Email]
Old Magnet 09-13-2012 07:40:22 99.28.160.17 Report to Moderator	Re: Head gasket in reply to just thinkin, 09-13-2012 05:48:33   My original service manual and parts manual does not call out any separate sealing ring. Don't know what the current appraoch in head gaskets might be. From the service manual illustration (not great) original appears to be a single thickness metal, maybe copper. Doesn't appear to be a fire ring to it. Does appear to have a step to the liner flange. [Reply]  [No Email]
Cat u9 u9 09-12-2012 21:07:05 76.250.157.220 Report to Moderator	Re: Head gasket in reply to Old Magnet, 09-12-2012 20:06:49   Well that's some good information Just the wrong gasket That tears it The liners above block I need to Put pressure against it an see how Much is out 2 to 6 thou is ok Then get the right gaskets I used the part number out of a book Got then from heavy equipment U got a better number r just call cat Thanks magnet Other than blowing the water out the Radatior she's a hoss maybe she'll live Again [Reply]  [No Email]
Old Magnet 09-13-2012 08:03:01 99.28.160.17 Report to Moderator	Re: Head gasket in reply to Cat u9 u9, 09-12-2012 21:07:05   What is the s/n of the tractor and which heads are you using? They used two different gasket numbers for early and late but the transition numbers jump around a bit. Choice is 4H7440 early and 7H9983 late. The part # for the early heads is 5H7169 with a casting # 4H7104. [Reply]  [No Email]
Cat u9 u9 09-13-2012 19:56:04 76.250.157.220 Report to Moderator	Re: Head gasket in reply to Old Magnet, 09-13-2012 08:03:01   The number is 17a13054 [Reply]  [No Email]
Old Magnet 09-14-2012 07:58:42 99.28.160.17 Report to Moderator	Re: Head gasket in reply to Cat u9 u9, 09-13-2012 19:56:04   That uses the later # 7H9983 head gasket (x2). [Reply]  [No Email]
Old Magnet 09-14-2012 08:31:04 99.28.160.17 Report to Moderator	Re: Head gasket in reply to Old Magnet, 09-14-2012 07:58:42   Got to looking closer at the parts book and there are actually two gaskets per head. a 7H9983 and a 7H1582, the second one is on the cylinder side. Maybe that is the answer to your situation. No reference is made to this in the service manual so I'd recommend checking with Cat on this....sorry I didn't catch it sooner. "just thinking" was on to it. You still need to do the liner height check as it appears you have been running without the liners being restrained due to the missing gasket. This post was edited by Old Magnet at 09:01:21 09/14/12. [Reply]  [No Email]
Cat u9 u9 09-14-2012 17:09:26 76.250.157.220 Report to Moderator	Re: Head gasket in reply to Old Magnet, 09-14-2012 08:31:04   Mad dash to cat to get the same gaskets 1S-9397 that's the number on all the gaskets Today but they don't go over the liner eather But n talking to cat they found some other gasket They didnt give me the part nub but I got some Coming Monday I'm thinking of cleaning it up real good an Putting some clay on top the liner checking it Out measuring it making some shimm stock But I don't know thanks [Reply]  [No Email]
Bob/Ont 09-15-2012 12:51:28 70.26.63.56 Report to Moderator	Re: Head gasket in reply to Cat u9 u9, 09-14-2012 17:09:26   NO!!!!!, if the liners are low, machine and shim the seats to get the height right. About the extra gaskets Pete just mentioned, they are for around the push rods. They should be metal with silicone rubber bonded to them. Later Bob [Reply]  [No Email]
Old Magnet 09-15-2012 16:54:38 76.254.43.34 Report to Moderator	Re: Head gasket in reply to Bob/Ont, 09-15-2012 12:51:28   Hi Bob, The 7H9983/4S5755 is a composition gasket that goes on the pushrod side. Only one of these gaskets is used per 2-cylinder head. The 7H1582/1S9397 goes to the piston side, again only one used per head. Can't tell what the material is but I suspect it is copper. Seems this gasket was left out????? [Reply]  [No Email]
Old Magnet 09-14-2012 17:54:42 76.254.43.34 Report to Moderator	Re: Head gasket in reply to Cat u9 u9, 09-14-2012 17:09:26   The 7H9983 has been replaced by a 4S5755. The 7H1582 has been replaced by a 1S9397. Both are available at Heavyquip or Regal and many other aftermarket suppliers as well as Cat. Get the right stuff, put it together and be done with it. Cobbling it up is just going to lead to more problems. The 17A is a really good unit if built right. [Reply]  [No Email]