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ETD66SS 03-10-2005 04:52:07 64.179.79.235 56753 Report to Moderator	It appears that CASE loader backhoes are more prevalent in my area, and I have 3 dealers nearby for parts, etc. I was hoping someone could give me the rundown on all the different 580 models, what are the differences? I know that I want: 4WD E-Hoe 4 in 1 Bucket ROPS (does not have to be enclosed) Any 580 experts here? [Reply]   [No Email]
ETD66SS 03-10-2005 08:48:44 64.179.79.235 56758 Report to Moderator	Re: I think a CASE 580 is what I want, have more q in reply to ETD66SS, 03-10-2005 04:52:07   [url]http://www.machinerytrader.com/listings/forsale/detail.asp?OHID=4732787&dlr=1&guid=171394ED81084EEC8D58FFCDD9CD2B77[/url] What do I look for when looking at a machine such as this? Transmission fair, what does that mean?   [Reply]   [No Email]
Nat 03-10-2005 19:05:17 66.26.133.155 56786 Report to Moderator	Re: I think a CASE 580 is what I want, have more q in reply to ETD66SS, 03-10-2005 08:48:44   Look for something newer than a 580-D to be sure it will have the Case/Cummins 4-390 engine. Older D,s could have the Case 188 D, which was a good engine, but weaker than the 4-390. I had a C and it was a good machine, but a little under powered. Mine had the 3 stick with foot swing, something few people want but it works as good as 2 or 4 lever, just harder to get used to.. I don't clam to be an expert, just have run a bunch of equipment over the years, but you can't go wrong with any of the newer TLB's, all are stronger and faster than the older stuff   [Reply]   [No Email]
ETD66SS 03-11-2005 03:16:34 64.179.79.235 56799 Report to Moderator	Re: I think a CASE 580 is what I want, have more q in reply to Nat, 03-10-2005 19:05:17   What is considered newer??? What I want is a late 80's early 90's machine. The ones I'm looking at are in the $15,000 - $20,000 price range. 580E, 580K, 580CK...   [Reply]   [No Email]
ETD66SS 03-11-2005 06:45:24 64.179.79.235 56805 Report to Moderator	Re: I think a CASE 580 is what I want, have more q in reply to ETD66SS, 03-11-2005 03:16:34   Message I got from my nearest dealer: "Currently we don't have any used backhoes in the $15,000 price area. Here's some info on 580 models- 580E's made from 1983 to 1986, 580K's made from 1987 to 1994, 580 L 1995 to 2000. New backhoes today run in price from $65,000 to $70,000 plus. As a general rule of thumb a good late model used machine will run approximately 1/2 of new. Pretty reliable machines today are in the $25,000 to $35,000 area. In the northeast US a very high percentage of machines will have enclosed cabs, most are 4x4 and many will have extendahoe option for backhoe. The 4n1 loader bucket might be harder to find as that option is probably only sold on 10% or less machines. If you are locked into a $15,000 price range, you will probably be looking at higher hour used machines that might need some repair on a frequent bases. Parts are readily available for most models of 580's and there are decent numbers of them around. Thank you for contacting Monroe Tractor and hopefully we can assist you in your search for an appropriate used backhoe." Ouch... I can't realistically go much higer than $18,000 tops...   [Reply]   [No Email]
seann 03-11-2005 09:15:42 66.217.129.160 56806 Report to Moderator	Re: I think a CASE 580 is what I want, have more q in reply to ETD66SS, 03-11-2005 06:45:24   ETD you might want to consider going with a 2WD, they are definitely cheaper. I've been told by a few experts that you really don't need 4WD. You have the loader and backhoe to pull you out of the mud if you ever get stuck, plus they are simpler and cheaper to maintain. Plus if you have firmer soils on your land, it really may be a more viable option. You may also want to consider a DynaHoe 4x4 TLB, I've seen pretty nice ones go for under $15k. Dynahoes are older machines, but they made them into the 80's. They're very big and very powerful...in fact, I don't think anyone ever made a larger rubber tired TLB. They have a reputation as being as tough as nails too, basically an industrial grade TLB. Its size and power may be a good match for your large lot. Anyway, something to consider if you have problems finding a newer machine in your price range. Good luck   [Reply]   [No Email]
seann 03-11-2005 09:22:19 66.217.129.160 56807 Report to Moderator	dynahoe link in reply to seann, 03-11-2005 09:15:42   Here's a link to an ebay auction for one... DynaHoe Ebay link-->>   [Reply]   [No Email]
Mark Faul 04-11-2005 10:23:30 158.111.4.26 57622 Report to Moderator	Re: dynahoe link - PURCHASED in reply to seann, 03-11-2005 09:22:19   I bought this off of ebay. I just got it and I need to make some repairs. It has no brakes and some cables are gone. Does anyone know where I can get a manual for this beast? It is a DynaHoe 190-4 4WD. I paid $6,500 for it and I am told by many that I did well even after shipping and repairs. My email address is: good_cheap_stuff@yahoo.com. Thanks: Mark F   [Reply]   [Send Email]
ETD66SS 03-11-2005 10:23:34 64.179.79.235 56811 Report to Moderator	Re: dynahoe link in reply to seann, 03-11-2005 09:22:19   What about this one? Dynahoe 200-4   [Reply]   [No Email]
Deldridge 03-15-2005 10:09:01 163.153.135.82 56920 Report to Moderator	Re: dynahoe link in reply to ETD66SS, 03-11-2005 10:23:34   That is expensive eventhough they are non stopable. I have a 1991 490-4 k dynahoe and so glad I bought it. very simular to the one shown, except updated cab and john deere motor. There are two for sale on ebay. one is for 6500.oo I wouldn"t hesitate in buying it for that price. better hurry though there is only 6 hours left to buy it. the one you are looking at has been for sale for 10000.oo for a year now. They painted it and raised the price alot. try ironhorseequipment. supergreat guy who runs the business. He always has one or two for sale. sorry just looked in ebay and the one for 6500.oo is missing. try too look for yourself. good luck dynahoe   [Reply]   [No Email]
seann 03-11-2005 12:29:30 66.217.130.39 56813 Report to Moderator	Re: dynahoe link in reply to ETD66SS, 03-11-2005 10:23:34   I'm no expert on Dynahoes so I'm not the best person to ask. But I strongly considered buying one of these before I decided to buy my crawler and shopped around (online) for one quite a bit. In my opinion, I think $15k is steep for that one. It's 30 years old and shows its age. It's repainted, but so what. Plus it doesn't have the 4-1 bucket, which is a common feature for those models (and a desirable one too). If the tranny and engine really were rebuilt, that's good, but that still doesn't justify that price in my opinion. I've seen decent '70's 4x4 Dynahoes where everything works, and the machine looks decent and is in overall good shape selling for ~$10k. Sometimes a bit more sometimes a bit less. In Heavy Equipment Trader magazine, I see late model Dynahoes (mid-late 80's models) in very good shape with all the bells and whistles being sold by dealers for ~$18k. That means you could probably find a private owner selling one for $15k or less. In general you want to find private sellers (i.e. owners) selling them instead of dealers. Dealers are almost always 30% to 100% more expensive than a private seller. It wouldn't surprise me if the seller purchased this unit for about half what he is selling it for. As far as parts, I have no idea what's the deal there. But I do see a lot of used machines for sale, mostly in the PA, NY, MASS area. They were heavily sold and used there for some reason. I would suspect there are sources for new and used parts in those regions.   [Reply]   [No Email]
ETD66SS 03-11-2005 17:29:28 69.171.17.93 56817 Report to Moderator	Re: dynahoe link in reply to seann, 03-11-2005 12:29:30   I just talked to a guy selling a JCB 1700 4x4, mid 1980's with around 6000 hours. He wants $13,000. Where are JCB's manufactured? I never really heard of them until just recently...   [Reply]   [No Email]
ETD66SS 03-11-2005 09:58:38 64.179.79.235 56809 Report to Moderator	Re: dynahoe link in reply to seann, 03-11-2005 09:22:19   Wow, those things sure are monsters! Can't help but think they are a nightmare to get parts for...   [Reply]   [No Email]
Nat 03-11-2005 19:45:55 66.26.133.155 56821 Report to Moderator	Re: dynahoe link in reply to ETD66SS, 03-11-2005 09:58:38   I just typed along post on different TLB's and it got lost, so here is a short version. Dynahoes are heavy,slow, and built like a tank. Biggest problem is no individual wheel brakes. The brakes are used a lot in backdraging and and grading. Case started with the 580, then 580B, then C and so one. The D was the first with the 4-390 engine, but some of the D's also had the 188D. All the E and later letters had the 4-390. Ford 555, and 555B, and most 555C's had a 3 cyl engine, the 555D and later had a more powerful 4 cyl. If trenching/digging is the bulk of what you will be using it for the extend-a-hoe is great. If main use is clearing/ grading/farm use, I'd opt. for a 4x4. I know you can get yourself out of a slick spot with the loader/hoe, but with 4x4, you probably get to where you need to without turning the seat. It seems as if every time I need to use it it's muddy and on a slope. HTH, Nat   [Reply]   [No Email]
ETD66SS 03-12-2005 05:26:11 69.171.17.93 56825 Report to Moderator	Re: dynahoe link in reply to Nat, 03-11-2005 19:45:55   Well, I have a lot of prep to do on my lot. It is 100% flat, and 100% wooded where I want to build. I have 100's of trees to take down. I have trenches & ditches to dig. I have to dig a pond, very large one, probably 1-2 acre pond... I would like to use the backhoe to dig footers, put in septic system, you name it. Soil is about 6-8 inches of topsoil, then clay, very muddy in the springtime until I get drainage sorted out. My lot is between two large open farm fields, and a bit low... The pond will help with drainage, and the excavated dirt/clay will be used to build up my driveway & backfill the home foundation, etc... My father will bring his International 444 with front end loader and landscaping implements to my lot to do most of the earth moving. I want to backhoe to assist mainly in tree removal, and digging... And I want the 4WD for scraping of topsoil off the clay bedding. I feel I need the 4WD... I also feel the 4 in 1 bucket may be more useful to me than extenda-hoe...   [Reply]   [No Email]
seann 03-12-2005 07:31:22 66.217.129.36 56828 Report to Moderator	Re: dynahoe link in reply to ETD66SS, 03-12-2005 05:26:11   ETD, it does sound like you need to move some serious earth. Plus the addition of a need to dig trenches calls for an extremely versatile machine (if you plan on owning only one machine). I hate to say it but really, it sounds like you're going to need a crawler of some type. You might want to consider buying a tracked loader with a backhoe or perhaps add a backhoe to a machine that doesn't have one (that's what I'm considering doing with my loader). I'm not familiar with the machine you mention that your father owns, but is there a possibility that a detachable backhoe could be added to that machine instead? Adapting backhoes to tractor loaders is usually easier than to a crawler. Your land sounds somewhat similar to my lot. I have soils that are very soft when it gets wet, topsoil layer and then loamy clay underneath. It can be a mess when its wet. My biggest challenge was avoiding getting stuck in the wet bogs (like where I was installing culverts). I did get my machine stuck 4 times in the mud. Although I managed to work my way out every time without calling in any heavy equipment. If your lot is like mine in that respect, I would go with a machine that's got mega traction (like a crawler). I put in an 800' driveway and used my crawler to save on my road materials. I undercut out the soft topsoil and then stockpiled it. Then I would dig trenches parallel to the road path and remove solid, sandy/gravely clay material out of the trench and put it into the undercut road area. Then I would take the stockpiled topsoil and use it to fill in the trench. Ending up with no big piles of dirt and decent roadbase material in the roadway (saving me the $$ to pay someone to truck in road base material). I have a hilly lot too and used my loader to cut into the hilly driveway sections to flatten out what would have been a hilly driveway. Those hills would have been tough to drive up and down in the winter after a snow, plus I used the undercut clay/gravel material to fill in the low lying culvert areas. It worked like a charm. The loader also does a number on trees, plenty of traction weight and power. No struggling involved. Here are a few pics of my loader in action...   [Reply]   [No Email]
Dave Brennan 03-12-2005 15:09:18 66.82.9.85 56834 Report to Moderator	Re: dynahoe link in reply to seann, 03-12-2005 07:31:22   You want to be extra careful pushing over trees with a track loader as dead branches can break off and fall on you. Especially with pine trees. I had a tree break off about 7 or 8 foot up one time and it fell on the machine. Good thing I had a roof or I wouldn't be here to tell about it! I heard of another fellow who broke an arm from a falling branch also! It fell out of the tree and caught him with his hand on the hydrolic lever. Track loaders are OK in the dirt but stick real easy in the mud! Tough to build a pond in a wet area with.   [Reply]   [No Email]
Dave Brennan 03-12-2005 06:15:54 66.82.9.87 56827 Report to Moderator	Re: dynahoe link in reply to ETD66SS, 03-12-2005 05:26:11   Wow! Sound to me like you are asking a awfull lot out of one machine! Ponds are best dug with LGP Bulldozers and Excavators or even a dragline in wet areas. Water pumps are needed to keep the pond empty while you are digging. And then there is ENCON. They will tell you what you can and can not do in a wet area! If you don't, BIG FINES! A one to two acre pond requires a lot of cubic yards of dirt to be moved. Stumps and trees are best removed with an excavator or a Bulldozer with a ripper. Nothing Grades a road like a road grader! Have you ever done any excavating? A rubber tired backhoe has its place. It is best at ditching and as a material handler. I think you are asking too much from one machine. You could do it but you will be forever.   [Reply]   [No Email]
ETD66SS 03-12-2005 17:13:45 24.150.104.183 56843 Report to Moderator	Re: dynahoe link in reply to Dave Brennan, 03-12-2005 06:15:54   Well, I understand I"m asking a lot... However, I can only afford one machine, and will do all the work myself no matter how long it takes... I"m going to go look at a 1985 JCB 1700 4WD TLB tomorrow... 6000 HRS, guys looking to get $13,000. I understand one machine can"t do it all. However, I think for long term use, the TLB is my best choice...   [Reply]   [No Email]
Dave Brennan 03-13-2005 04:46:15 66.82.9.40 56850 Report to Moderator	Re: dynahoe link in reply to ETD66SS, 03-12-2005 17:13:45   I would agree that a rubber tired machine is a better one to own for the long term and the best choice for a first machine. If you need to drive it a few miles down the road, you can. If you need to dig out a stump, you can. If you need to do some ditching you can, Digging footings for a foundation,no problem as long as you don't hit hard rock and it sounds as if you won't. They're even good for moveing snow if you need to. If you put tire chains on the machine it will help a great deal. It's a little tough to put in a driveway with, But if you take your time you could do it! Digging a large pond in a wet area, That's another story! I,ve spent weeks working on pond jobs that have had a lot of equipment. An LPG Cat D6, A cat, 225 excavator, Pontoons for the excavator to sit on so it doesn't sink out of sight, And end dumps to transfer the dirt. Also on other jobs I've worked we've had Scrapper pans, A Cat D7E, A Cat D4G LGP, a D8K with a ripper and a Cat 215 excavator. All these machines were on the Job at the same time. On a good day we move a lot of dirt. Then, If it rains hard, we don't move anything. In perfect conditions, Once, we dug a one acre pond in a day. This is an exception and not generally the rule. In land clearing, with a Cat D7E and a D5 we averaged about 3/4 ths to one acre a day. Good Luck and May you have happy Trails in your venture! Dave!   [Reply]   [No Email]
ETD66SS 03-13-2005 07:15:37 69.171.17.93 56852 Report to Moderator	Re: dynahoe link in reply to Dave Brennan, 03-13-2005 04:46:15   Don't get me wrong Dave, I'd love to have 4 or 5 pieces of equipment, but that's just not possible. If I dig the pond in mid August, I doubt I will have a water issue... I do have a brother with an old ford TLB 3400 down the road about 5 miles, and a friend who has a 5 ton Excavator... No one with a crawler loader or dozer however. If I bought enough beer, I could have: Whatever TLB I get Ford 4400 Front end loader Ford 3400 TLB International 444 front end loader 5 Ton Excavator And even a "pickup sized" dump truck All on site to dig the pond... And Sean, yes, I'd love to have a crawler loader like yours, but the chance I would be taking on the undercarriage... I just think a TLB of the CASE 580 size is what I want first... In any event, I'm going to look at that JCB 1700 today...   [Reply]   [No Email]
Dave Brennan 03-14-2005 04:47:45 66.82.9.23 56878 Report to Moderator	Re: dynahoe link in reply to ETD66SS, 03-13-2005 07:15:37   Experience is the best teacher. Go for the backhoe, In the long run you won't be sorry. When you go to dig that pond, get your friend with that 5 ton excavator and get a couple of dump trucks. Borrow or rent them if you have to or even buy some off the road clunkers cheap, sell them or junk them when your done. This is the best way to move the dirt to where you want it. You'll move a lot of material in a short time. It will save a lot of wear and tear in the long run and you won't be sorry! Some times it is cheaper to hire some friends for a few days than to beat an old machine to death trying to do a job that is to big for it. These things do break, even when they're new, let alone when they get old. Repairs can be in the thousands and downtime can be long.   [Reply]   [No Email]
seann 03-13-2005 15:20:35 66.217.130.103 56865 Report to Moderator	Re: dynahoe link in reply to ETD66SS, 03-13-2005 07:15:37   ETD, Y'know I was thinking about the pond you have to build. It's an interesting problem that's not easy to figure using only one piece of machinery and peforming the dig over a prolonged period of time (which would be necessary with the limited equipment available), and especially with rains occasionally filling up the hole and turning it into a muddy sinkhole. I'm not sure how deep the pond has to be, but if you could keep the pond no deeper than the maximum trenching depth of your hoe, you could largely avoid getting down in the hole. The big TLB's can trench to 20' I believe...at least the Dynahoe can, and I would think an extenda hoe TLB probably could go close to that deep. You could just dig a circular pit with the hoe, then use the loader to periodically remove the excavated soil around the perimeter. And then continue digging around the circle (and removing the stockpiled soil) until the circle grows to the size you want. And if you trenched a drain in the center at the beginning of the dig and installed a pipe to remove any rain that comes in, that would keep it dry...as long as no ground water percolates up, which would really be a problem. Although if I did it that way, I would be real careful about the edge of the hole though. I've heard bad stories about operators digging or operating at the vicinity of a "cliff" and their machines fell in, sometimes caused by the bank crumbling away. Probably survivable at 20' as long as a modern ROPS was installed and you were properly seat belted in...but still, not a fun ride. Anyway, it should be an interesting project with the constraints you'll be working under. Keep us posted and let us know how you make out. good luck   [Reply]   [No Email]
Nat 03-11-2005 19:48:34 66.26.133.155 56822 Report to Moderator	Re: dynahoe link in reply to Nat, 03-11-2005 19:45:55   MY hoe [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/natangell/New%20House/DSCF0006.jpg[/IMG] This is a 555 B, worth around 10K   [Reply]   [No Email]
Nat 03-11-2005 19:56:59 66.26.133.155 56823 Report to Moderator	Re: dynahoe link in reply to Nat, 03-11-2005 19:48:34   Trying again http://www.tractorshed.com/gallery/tphotos/a26763.jpg   [Reply]   [No Email]